13 comments

  • paxy 37 minutes ago
    These bidi/duplex demos always come off as overly artificial to me. It's cool that the model can speak at the same time as you instead of taking turns, but training it to interrupt as much as possible isn't the way to do it. In the very first example, did anyone here find the laugh after the "winter" answer to be convincing? What was the need for it? Why did the human speaker not get to finish a single sentence or finish a thought before the model took over with a monologue?
    • bityard 7 minutes ago
      I get irrationally angry when actual people interrupt me while I'm talking, I'll start throwing chairs when AI tech support agents start doing it.
    • switchbak 8 minutes ago
      I'm absolutely going to hate talking to these things as customer service agents, with fake vocal fry and odd amounts of intonation and emotion peppered in.

      For sure there's gonna be people falling in love with them though! I find all the anthropomorphization creepy though.

  • ttul 29 minutes ago
    These full-duplex models are getting very "Her"-ish lately. gpt-live-1 is fantastic. Dessa, though, seems to be aiming at full human parity. There's a huge market for AI girlfriends that they should be looking into in earnest...
  • 63 15 minutes ago
    Both speakers in the examples sound unnatural. The human doesn't know what to talk about and seems to have little confidence. The robot says things that only mostly make sense and draws on, saying ultimately very little. "How's the winter stuff?" e.g. is not a sentence a person would say. I might say "How are you dealing with the snow?" or "Are you looking forward to winter?," but not "How's the winter stuff?" And there's just so many examples like this. Also, I'm not convinced that this "human-like" conversation with filler words and interruptions and pauses is actually what anyone wants, especially in absence of a face to interpret or a real human being to understand behind it. Even if it worked perfectly, it would feel uncanny and artificial because I know the person isn't real.
    • Mallory_Ringess 7 minutes ago
      They sounds just as unnatural als the annoying actors in the 'Gilmore Girls' series my daughter keeps on watching and re-watching, i.e. stupid valley girl or whatever it is called witless drivel. In that sense this model is tailor-made to create direct script-to-screen voice-overs for pabulum like that.
  • bityard 8 minutes ago
    Not bad, but I guess I lack the imagination to envision the use cases for such casual conversation. Other than... I suppose a certain demographic would be lining up to use this as the voice for their AI girlfriend.

    Also I seem to be missing where/how they are selling this.

  • ricardobeat 12 minutes ago
    > we figured out how to train Dessa on only one NVIDIA GB200 NVL72.

    This is the crazy part. It seems pretty smart, and LLMs require 1000x more compute to train. Can this kind of efficiency somehow be achieved with text too?

  • haarts 5 minutes ago
    Ok. Sounds cool. Now what? Open source weights? An API somewhere? Available on Openrouter? Are they just testing?

    Where is this going?

  • moonu 35 minutes ago
    Can you instruction-train a duplex model like this? How would that look? I also wonder, if a model trained only on speech can develop world knowledge like this, could you train an image model only on images of text to essentially act as an LLM?
  • IshKebab 52 minutes ago
    I'm surprised it took this long! Clearly the next step is joint training on text and audio. The speech realism is very good, but the intelligence is pretty clearly 2024-level.
  • amitport 1 hour ago
    not at all creepy
  • actualwitch 30 minutes ago
    The speech is great, but you can see some cracks even in the first sound bit. near the end he asks the model to speak louder and initially the voice is louder but then goes back to the same level, also losing what she was saying just seconds ago and he has to lead back to the topic.
  • opem 47 minutes ago
    crazy, if true!
  • weego 1 hour ago
    Sorry I'm lost. The sample on the homepage sounds absolutely awful. Not one bit of the cadence individually and together, the tonal ranges in responses or the overall structure and feel is comfortable to listen to, it's so far off passing as 'real' that I feel like I must be missing something.
    • superchicken099 55 minutes ago
      Sure it definitely had some strange moment but it’s impressive for a small training data set and low compute
      • kennywinker 53 minutes ago
        That doesn't sound like the same bar as "most authentic full-duplex speech model ever built"
    • VulgarExigency 41 minutes ago
      I think it sounds slightly "off" but its cadence certainly sounds way more like a human than other AI voices I've heard.
    • IshKebab 51 minutes ago
      Have you tried the alternatives? This is clearly far far superior in terms of fluidity of conversation.